I’ve recently been thinking about the difference between the emerging church and the “fresh expressions” movement – one difference that I’m currently accepting is this , which I interpret as the idea that fresh expressions are a new take on the ways of doing things within an established church and emerging church largely as a group of people coming together with the freedom to push the boundaries and do their own thing a bit more.
However, I was talking to someone about this, and they reminded me that one of the problems with the term “emerging church” was the connection with Mark Driscoll. Even though he now says he has distanced himself from the emerging church his views have still tainted the definition.
Mark Driscoll makes me angry for a number of reasons:
- he preaches that women are unfit for church leadership because “they are more gullible and easier to deceive than men” and frequently jokes about women in leadership
- he stated that women who “let themselves go” physically are partially to blame for their husband’s infidelity (please note, this does not apply to men “letting themselves go” – apparently women don’t understand or experience lust the way men do)
- he does not accept the idea that God could be genderless – or, to quote him, the idea of “God as a chick”
- some people say that he’s trying to attract “macho men” to the church, and is doing this by putting down women and gay people to do so.
- Is it because he is fighting against this view: “Some emergent types recast Jesus as a limp-wrist hippie in a dress with a lot of product in His hair, who drank decaf and made pithy Zen statements about life while shopping for the perfect pair of shoes”. And thinks that women in leadership will just encourage this kind of effeminate, ineffectual person within the church?
- Perhaps he has personal issues with female/gay people and he’s using attack as a form of defence?
Even in the emerging church (as I know it) there is predominance of men over women in leadership, so - on a practical "money where your mouth is" level are we any better than other organisations? Even if we’re not Mark Driscoll…
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Maybe we should invite him to Sanctus to see our pretty impressive range of female leaders/people-who-have-recently-stepped-down-from-leadership, who seem capable of running an emerging church without the aid of a penis. We could also point out that we've seen women effectively lead a service while, at the same time, feeding a baby (I was impressed). I'd like to see him argue that, for example, having Rachel leading Sanctus is more likely to lead to ineffectualness.
At uni yesterday we talked about equality and diversity and it was frightening to see a report which suggested that while professionals are aware of the gender pay gap and believe that differences are socially constructed, the public at large apparently believe that women are made to nurture and the pay gap isn't an issue (Howard and Tibballs, 2003). This wider society's view and in many churches they are way behind even that.
As far as I'm aware, in the emerging church, there's still a problem with leadership being mainly male but I don't know enough about it to hazard a guess at why. However, one of my favourite things about Sanctus is that it is nearly totally gender-blind - it's very freeing - and I think our leaders are an important part of of that.
I say 'nearly' because, although our leadership team is balanced in terms of gender, the two ordained-ish, full-time-ish leaders are male, and the two female leaders work in a voluntary capacity. I would say that by being full-time and ordained this would give a leader more status, maybe not in the eyes of the Sanctus community, but in wider church and society. I'd also hazard a suggestion that this reflects the wider division of paid work being considered masculine and voluntary/domestic work being considered feminine. I'm not suggesting that we are discriminatory but just that sometimes how things have happened naturally can be seen to reinforce existing stereotypes.
Did you guess I might comment on this?
thanks for posting this Rach
great food for thought.
Why is it that there are so few women leaders who are prominent(i.e. known nationally/internationally) ... that came up in a discussion led by Stuart Murray at Cliff College on the MA programme (Emerging church) and we all agreed we need more women out there leading but also writing about the stuff (and getting published!)
It's a great loss to the whole churhc if we don't.
Oh dear, why such anger? The Complementarian/Egalitarian debate is ongoing with very clever and committed Christians on each side. You don't have the monopoly on truth.
I don't agree with everything Mark Driscoll says or writes, for example I have female leaders and preachers, but I rejoice in the fact that he has reached out into the extremely difficult area of Seattle with great success.
I probably disagree with some of your perspectives (Sanctus) but I rejoice that you are effective at reaching people my church couldn't.
My plea is for us to look to the good in traditions different from our own and support oneanother. There is enough division without emergent village/emerging church/fresh expressions churches creating even more.
Your blogg has, I'm afraid, depressed me with its tone.
Eric,
Grow up.
-Erin
Hi Erin
Sorry you think I'm childish. Which part of my comments gave you that impression?
Eric
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