This is exactly why I'm thanking God right now that I don't read TSK's blog any longer (a long story in itself)...
Sometimes, I despair.
Actually, make that "often".
HT: Urban Abbess
UPDATED: - and see comments. This is not a post about me choosing not to read Andrew's blog - I've commented on his post at his site and left a comment here. It's a post about the effect that Mark Driscoll's comments and opinions seem to have on my blood pressure...)
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I'm annoyed by the whole thing start to finish. I share your frustration. Great video btw.
Can I add a male voice of frustration! Lets not fall into the trap of making it a women vs men thing, it's all of us against the chauvinists!
laura, you told me a while ago that you were going to stop reading my blog because i was not committed to a anti-captital punishment philosophy, which is something hard for me to do when i work in so many countries - each country having a different take.
i dont understand this new reason. what are you saying? that i agree with Driscoll? or that i mentioned this incident?
btw, i am writing this from a ladies prayer group in london in which i am the only male.
Wow, I managed to get only about halfway through the Mark Driscoll video before having to switch it off, screaming "un-funking-believable". Your own video is a great and welcome contrast. Mind you, I've heard a couple of hair-raising stories in the past about how Mars Hill Seattle treats people who think men and women are equal. I'm just puzzled as to why anyone thinks they are a part of the Emerging Church movement, because they seem pretty un-reconstructed fundamentalist to me.
Andrew, a point of clarification and an apology. I was glad today that I don't read your blog simply because generally then I don't have to be reminded of Mark Driscoll - nothing more! Sorry - me re-reading my original post, it sounded more sinister... Apologies, nothing more to it than that.
And to everyone else, hey I'm certainly not saying it's a man/ woman thing. I know at least as many if not more men who are as wounded and frustrated by this. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if men and women can't work together in church and model that in strength, with openness, love and respect for each other, then why would anyone take us seriously about anything else?
Laura,
i'm sorry. i appreciate you sending me the private emails and i should have done the same. i was thinking that some public criticism of my blog would be a healthy balance to the positives and so i do welcome it. no offense intended and certainly no slinging.
i am pretty sure we both want to honour the women in the body of Christ and our conversation is now confusing and misleading. if you dont mind, i will edit my blog post to reflect those changes.
and i will keep reading your blog, even if you stop reading mine.
peace
well, for what it's worth, *I* knew your post wasn't about Andrew.
not that he doesn't need to be taken down a few pegs ;) teasin' andrew.
"This is not a post about me choosing not to read Andrew's blog"
Yes it is.
Your update almost clarifies things, but your comment gets there in the end.
...Lev
Haven't you got an election to be campaigning for Lev? ;-) Hope it's going well - hang on in there ,the end's nearly in sight. Phew!
Laura, you've no idea how heartening it is to read your thoughts on this. If only it were limited to Mark Driscoll, but you read the comments every time he stirs something up, or you check the number of female speakers at an event, or the number of women in paid leadership and...sigh...
I'm so very, very tired of it all. Whilst the concepts and practices etc of 'emerging church', appeals to me in many ways, its ongoing failure regarding women is just too much to bear.
I spend my working life battling in a male dominated environment, I need 'church' to be better than that.
The impression one gets from the blogosphere and beyond is that it seems it can't be.
Worse still, some (no names mentioned) give the impression of "oh will you lot stop whining about the equality thing and let us get back to our much more important straight-male discussions" as if we should stop fussing our pretty little heads about this tired old side-issue.
Sorry, but that drives me nuts and I can't bring myself to join a 'club' that seeks to downplay the importance of truly addressing in actions as well as words misogyny and homophobia etc.
But Laura, I'll be cheering you and others from the sidelines all the way.
Sincerely.
You make me think there's still an inkling of hope.
WTF? I think I'm going to explode...
This makes me very angry. I'm glad to be safely out of this sort of thing, and feel able to get on with doing things as a person rather than restricted as a woman.
I feel sorry for any normal blokes (and other people) who happen to enjoy relaxing playing online computer games (slightly bemused by the equation of World of Warcraft with online porn - dissing the six million people who play isn't going to attract them to God) or any people who happen to be gay or a hippie - clearly those are bad things because Jesus wasn't one. Clearly.
I don't track Sanctus1 daily, so this might be a bit out of date now, but here goes.
Posting thoughts and feelings 'in the raw' allows us to speak authentically and, as long as we are honest, that can be great gift. But we all react out of our vulnerability and brokenness and that's where it can start to get messy, especially where we only know each other through blogs and comments, and not as the fully encountered individuals we are in real life.
I really responded to Laura saying - "if men and women can't work together in church and model that in strength, with openness, love and respect for each other, then why would anyone take us seriously about anything else?".
I often wonder why, with all that the Christian faith means, we often seem to lag behind and not run ahead in terms of combating prejudice by affirming everyone's abilities regardless of background etc.
Is it any kind if progress that I don't notice whether it's a woman who is leading?
just popping back over to see whats going on.
hi everyone on sanctus!!!!!
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